Everything Coworking podcast episode #134 with Jamie Russo

One of our co-founders, Jamie Orr, was recently a guest on the Everything Coworking podcast with Jamie Russo to talk all about Jellyswitch.

If you aren’t familiar with the podcast or with Jamie Russo, you should be. We are huge fans ourselves. Jamie Russo is a force in the coworking & flexible workspace world. From startups to operating her own space to leading the Global Workspace Association, her experience runs deep and she shares it plus that of dozens of other in the field through Everything Coworking. You can read more about her here: https://www.everythingcoworking.com/about

In the dual Jamie episode, after chatting about some exciting updates at Cowork Tahoe in the past year, they discuss why Jellyswitch is needed for coworking members and how we are helping spaces meet the needs of their members & deliver an amazing membership experience, all from your mobile phone.


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We hope you enjoy the episode. Reach out if you’d like to see how Jellyswitch can help your space!


The Growth TL;DR podcast with Kieran Flanagan & Scott Tousley

I recently had the opportunity to sit down with Kieran Flanagan & Scott Tousley from Hubspot to discuss Jellyswitch, remote work, & coworking on their Growth TL;DR podcast.

Kieran & Scott enjoy going behind the scenes with the minds behind product-led companies to bring their audience real insights from founders, leaders, and the people behind the tactics on the truth behind growth. They also have a lot of fun doing it.

Link to episode: https://www.kieranflanagan.io/podcast/how-remote-work-is-growing-faster-than-starbucks-with-jamie-orr/

In the episode, I talk to Kieran & Scott all about just how explosive the remote work movement is.

For example, did you know that there are currently estimated to be 35,000 coworking spaces worldwide. That’s more locations than Starbucks. Remote work is exploding!

We also talk about:

– escaping high-pressure jobs in Silicon Valley to embrace the remote work life in Tahoe.

– the complete rundown of what it’s like to be a coworking owner, including common challenges, how to attract members, and how they make money.

– how Jellyswitch helps owners of coworking spaces to both acquire and engage with their members.

Happy listening!

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The Coworking Value Proposition – Part 3 (Commercial Real Estate)

This part of our series will take a look into the value proposition of coworking for stakeholders on the commercial real estate side of the industry. To recap, we’re exploring the value proposition of coworking across all parts of the industry for coworking space owners and operators as a guide to craft compelling messaging to attract members and provide perspective on this fast growing industry as a whole.

Part 1 provided an overview of the potential for the coworking industry. Coworking spaces are helping drive the decentralization of the workplace. They provide a professional office environment wherever and whenever one is needed. Through these varied locations and thoughtful flexible workplace designs, coworking spaces can contribute directly to an increase in the productivity of the workforce. As the remote workforce grows, more and more of these spaces will be needed to satisfy that demand.

As discussed in Part 2, coworking spaces are the goldilocks solution for the distributed workforce. They are less rigid than a corporate HQ, more private than a coffee shop, and less isolated than a home office. Coworking spaces meet the professional needs of the distributed workforce, but they also help meet our personal needs by decreasing loneliness and increasing autonomy in how, where, and when to work.

Coworking spaces do not exist in a vacuum, however. They are dependent upon the infrastructure and supply of commercial real estate. The “space” part of the coworking model is critical.

How does the coworking model benefit stakeholders in commercial real estate? Is it a total disruption or inevitable evolution?

For the commercial real estate world, coworking represents a fundamental shift in how office space is leased & managed. It is an inevitable and necessary shift, however. Business today changes faster than ever. Company timelines that used to span decades are down to spanning years, decreasing their willingness to sign long term leases. Employees are distributed throughout the globe. To maintain revenue stability in the commercial real estate world, coworking must become part of the standard offering.

What are the benefits of coworking?

From a leasing perspective, coworking and flexible office space can increase occupancy rates. In fact, in 2018 alone, flexible workspace accounted for two-thirds of the occupancy gains in the U.S. Office market.

Coworking businesses can lease a wide variety of commercial real estate products including traditional office space, vacant retail space, or warehouse space. They frequently transform distressed properties into Class A space.

Once open, coworking businesses attract an expanded tenant pool compared to what a particular property or market would otherwise be able to attract, increasing the utilization of the property.

Why are these benefits valuable?

Real estate is an investment business, and that means it’s all about the numbers. An increase in occupancy rate for commercial real estate means more profit for building owners, across a variety of building types used by flexible workspace. Renovated & occupied buildings return higher building valuations, which means a better return on investment in the property. Additionally, once renovated, those properties can see higher rent premiums when compared to other similar properties. (Cowork Tahoe is a great example of this)

Cowork Tahoe – Before & After renovations of the former Tahoe Daily Tribune building in South Lake Tahoe, CA

Members of coworking spaces are predominantly small businesses, free-lancers, and startups. These are clients that would not otherwise rent office space on their own, or would have to rent lower quality properties. Many of these startups and small businesses are growing, so coworking is just the entry point into commercial office space for them. Coworking is part of a sales funnel that can lead to longer-term and larger contracts between landlords and tenants as smaller companies grow and take over more space. If that space is not available in their current coworking space, they may look for nearby options, increasing the value of commercial property in proximity to the coworking space.

What is the main problem being faced by customers?

The commercial real estate world has not adapted quickly enough to the changing dynamics and demands of the business world. Companies are less and less interested in signing 10-year+ leases, particularly when they don’t know if their own timeline spans beyond a few years. Landlords need to iterate on the traditional model in a way that still provides consistent and predictable revenue streams from their properties in order to protect their investments.

How does coworking solve this problem?

The popularity of coworking is driving demand for commercial square footage across a wide range of property types and markets: primary to rural, Class A to distressed, warehouse to retail space. The flexible workspace model is increasing occupancy rates & expanding tenant pools.

Coworking directly satisfies the demand for flexible & more distributed office space that companies need, but can also provide the predictable revenue stream of a longer term lease. Members are able to rent the professional office space they need at a lower rate than they would have access to if renting themselves, they get the flexibility of shorter terms, and more choice in terms of location.

Why is coworking the best solution to these problems?

The utilization of commercial real estate as coworking space helps to derisk development in new areas or markets by offering a diversified and scalable model that can expand or contract in reaction to the local market.

Its also what employees and employers are starting to ask for – the ability to work from anywhere. That means that high quality office space must be anywhere as well. The demand for flexible workspace is growing, and CRE has the supply & infrastructure to deliver on it.

Coworking with Iris interview

I was excited to join Iris Kavanagh for the first episode of her re-launched podcast series.

Have a watch or listen!

In the episode, Iris & I talk about my experience building a coworking community as transplants to a remote vacation destination, living life true to my values, building a community from scratch in a remote location, the challenges I have faced as a female entrepreneur and operator and of course, JellySwitch, which allows operators to run their space in real-time from their smartphone.

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The Coworking Value Proposition – Part 2 (Members)

In Part 1 of this Series on the Value Proposition of the Coworking Industry, I provided an overview of how an increase in the distributed workforce is driving change in the traditional office model. While many remote or distributed workers have depended on a home office or coffee shops to fulfill their workplace needs, these are not the ideal setting for a productive worklife. Coworking is the right solution, and the industry is just getting started.

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Over the course of the next four entries in the series, I’ll go through what the value proposition of coworking looks like for each major stakeholder in the industry: members, commercial real estate, employers, and communities. As the operator of a coworking space, these are the groups that are most important for me to consider when establishing and communicating the value of my business. For each of these groups, I’m going to ask & answer the same five questions with that group’s perspective in mind:

  1. What are the benefits of coworking?
  2. Why are these benefits valuable?
  3. What are their main problems?
  4. How does coworking solve these problems?
  5. Why is coworking the best solution to these problems?

As members are the lifeblood of coworking spaces, that is where I’d like to begin.  This is likely the group I’ve seen the most written about, but its also the most important and thus is very deserving of the attention.

What are the benefits of coworking for members of coworking spaces? 

Distributed workspace: Coworking spaces provide professional work environments away from a corporate office besides a home office, coffee shop, hotel lobby, or library. This includes good desks and supportive chairs, fast and consistent internet access, well designed work areas, private spaces for calls and client meetings, as well as coffee and snacks to keep you going throughout the day. (For more, check out the base level in Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs for Coworking Members)

Flexible workspace: Coworking spaces offer flexible membership & lease terms that can vary from as short as hourly, daily, and monthly, to multi-year leases (*although with the new IPFS16 standards, leases 12-months and shorter are the most desirable –  need to write more on that in another post). The workspaces themselves are flexible as well. Most coworking spaces provide a range of casual café or lobby seating, open desk space, and private office suites.

Affordable workspace:  Particularly when compared to the overhead costs of renting and maintaining private commercial office space, coworking space memberships are extremely affordable. For the cost of one membership, the office space, utilities, meeting space, restrooms, kitchen amenities, and more are typically included.

Connected workspace: Coworking spaces have professional communities, other people around to provide human interactions, even if small.

Why are these benefits valuable? 

A full time job averages over 2,080 hours per year. That’s a lot of time, so there should be a high bar placed on what those workplaces offer to make that time pleasant and productive. And as more people are able to participate in remote work, the infrastructure to support that workforce needs to be where the workforce is – coworking spaces provide that infrastructure. For more on why I think the benefits of coworking are valuable, see “Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs for Coworking Members”. What it comes down to is time is valuable, and the more productive those limited hours are, the more valuable they become.

What are the main problems being faced by customers?

Productivity. For those that can work remotely, there is still a need for somewhere to work and do so productively. For those that freelance, are on small teams, or work for themselves, there is still a need for somewhere to work and do so productively.

Work-Life Balance. Long commutes are detrimental to personal health and time, and to the environment. Costs of living are often too high near a corporate office to be able to move closer (think Silicon Valley/New York City) and moving is not always a good option when it takes a family away from their social support network.

How does coworking solve these problems?

In short, by providing flexibility & community, and everything else needed to achieve a high level of productivity.

By providing a professional work environment where it is needed, not where a person is told to be. Good internet access to ensure digital connectivity, nice office space for ergonomics and to support focused work, a community of other professionals to support human connection when desired. Locations distributed throughout communities, from downtown centers to rural towns. Varied workspace for focus, for collaborative space, for privacy, casual work, etc. Easy to access, flexible for when life changes.

Why is coworking the best solution to these problems?

Coworking spaces meet the professional needs of the distributed workforce, but they also help meet our personal needs by decreasing loneliness and increasing autonomy in how, where, and when to work. A recent FlexJobs Survey found that the reasons professionals say they would prefer to work from home rather than a corporate office included a decrease in distractions, a decrease in interruptions from colleagues, less stress from a long commute, and less office politics. While working from home can provide these benefits, there are even more downsides that cannot be ignored: home life distractions, isolation from peers, reduced work-life delineation, no professional meeting space for client meetings, etc. Coffee shops and other public spaces may remove the feelings of isolation to a degree, but only because of the presence of people. They lack the peer networking opportunities. Often they are too casual, can offer little to no privacy, may be noisy and thus distracting, and may not provide the level of stable internet connectivity and hours that are required for a truly productive work life.

Coworking spaces are the goldilocks solution for the distributed workforce. They are not the too-rigid corporate office or too-casual home office or coffee shop. They are just right.

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The Coworking Value Proposition – Part 1

Between being a coworking space & building owner the past five years and being the co-founder of a software company focused upon supporting the operation of coworking spaces, I have spent a lot of time thinking about the industry. Not just my own space and its growth and performance, but how the industry fits into the overall evolution of the workplace and what its trajectory is going to be in the upcoming years.

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The traditional corporate office is becoming antiquated and many corporations have already experimented with changing their operations to attract and retain employees – from adding perks like fancy chefs and on-site dental care to replacing the old cubicle with hip open office plans. Some of these experiments have worked better than others, but ultimately have not resulted in the increase in employee productivity and satisfaction that was desired. As digital tools have become more available, the movement from the corporate office to remote options has been gaining momentum. There is no denying that the future of work is distributed. Over 50% of employees across the globe are working part time remotely and that number is estimated to grow significantly in the next few years.

The need for a professional office environment for those workers, however, has not diminished as a result of movement. The coworking industry has not kept up with the need for distributed workspace. When a good solution is not available, we improvise and use what is accessible instead. An example of this is the number of remote workers that work-from-home or from coffee shops. There was first a rise in the number of employees working from home, taking advantage of telework policies. Then, as wifi became more accessible, many of those same employees filled tables at the corner coffee shop. The increase in the use of home offices and coffee shops was not a result of those being the best workplaces, but rather the only alternative options for so long. Likewise, commuting long hours to a main company office. People don’t commute because they will be most productive and happy at that office, they do so because there has not been a viable alternative.

That has begun to change, and it should. The demand for office space has become distributed.

The mission of the coworking industry is to drive the decentralization of the workplace that increases the productivity of the workforce. Coworking spaces provide a professional office environment wherever and whenever one is needed.

The value proposition of the coworking industry is a strong one. This is why there has been such a buzz around it in the past few years. While still a very young industry, it was already proven its not going anywhere. What exactly is the value proposition for coworking? In this series of posts, I’m going to explore that from the perspective of users of coworking spaces, commercial real estate owners, employers, and communities.

It’s not enough to articulate a value proposition for an entire industry, it is also important for the individual companies within the industry to articulate their own value, and then deliver on it. My hope is that not only will this series serve as a guide for my fellow coworking industry colleagues on how to craft compelling messaging to attract and retain members in their own spaces, but provide some perspective on the industry as a whole, whether you’re in the business or not.

Stay tuned or subscribe to this blog so you won’t miss the next entry!

  • Part 1: The Value Proposition of the Coworking Industry: An Overview
  • Part 2:  The Value Proposition of the Coworking Industry: Members
  • Part 3: The Value Proposition of the Coworking Industry: CRE
  • Part 4: The Value Proposition of the Coworking Industry: Employers
  • Part 5: The Value Proposition of the Coworking Industry: Communities
  • Part 6: Creating a Value Proposition for your Coworking Space
  • Part 7: Delivering on your Value Proposition
  • Part 8: Communicating your Value Proposition